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    33**ZOOM:** https://imperial-ac-uk.zoom.us/j/98220889714?pwd=SM90vOF7BKSXoU3mD9q7OwBQo4IVB3.1
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    5 == Agenda ==
     5Attended: CD, PH, AFr, MB, RA, KL, EM, HO, JP, MH
     6
     7== Meeting Notes ==
    68
    791. Minutes and actions:
     
    2426
    25272. SCAPA RW,ED:
     28No Update
    2629
    27303. Bio EM,JP,MB:
    28  - Update and next steps
     31 - See cells in FaDu from all days and the higher seeding densities.
     32  - Seeing a clear dose response.
     33  - Still looks like the radiation has been too high.
     34 - No cells in HeLa.
     35  - Seem to be more sensitive.
     36  - Emma mentioned that people working with them in Birmingham at the same time as phase 2 were struggling to get results with them. So could be the cell line? However, since Emma has got back she has done more work with them and they seem fine?
     37  - Possibly worth moving to a different cell line in the future?
     38 - Cells back with Mark and he will organise their delivery to Birmingham. (Most likely after Christmas)
     39 - Results hopefully can be produced by end of Jan
     40 - Marie is keen to stay connected. She is putting together a grant about different radiation types so this work is all useful.
     41 - Emma to share the counting software she uses with Marie
     42 - Still uncertain about the uniformity.
     43  - Comet analysis should help with this
     44   - But cells were on ice for a while before being forzen so may have repaired.
     45  - Calvin to send Emma min and max dose
    2946
    30474. Beamline Diagnostic, KL, TP, CD, PH:
    3148 - RCF Update
    32  - Discussion of options, practicalities and next steps
    33   - KL, PH on Sparse Sci-Fi. TBC
    34   - TP on thin phosphor screen. TBC
    35   - CD on beam consistency (for photodiode around the cell dish)
    36   - Other options:
    37    - Correlation of mean dose with laser diagnostic
    38    - Delaminated RCF in front of the cell dish
     49  - RCF not sent up yet, so will send in Jan
     50 - KL, PH on Sparse Sci-Fi [raw-attachment: Slides]
     51  - Peter has a simulation of the fibres used (50mm long fibre polysterene core and PMMA cladding as per BCF50)
     52  - If using a remote camera recieve order of 1/1000 power from scintillation as if using a nearby screen.
     53  - Key questions:
     54   1) What is the typical light produced in a sparse fibre per laser pulse
     55    - How many protons per shot pass through each fibre
     56     - 20-30 is fine but 1 or 2 is too few
     57    - Can be done in sim but requires a better understanding of the source distribution
     58   2) Dimensions of the vacuum chamber
     59  - Instead of remote could also looking at capturing the light into a larger fibre to collect more light
     60 - Phosphor screen requires face-on viewing so possibly some practical difficulties
     61  - Peter also happy to simulate this
     62 - Using the discarded beam (Photodiode).
     63  - Beam consistency shows a Pearson Correlation Coefficient of minimum 0.83.
     64  - Predicting the average pixel count inside the cell dish from the beam outside the cell dish provides a Pearson correlation coefficient of 0.991, and can predict with a 6% error.
     65  - Better analysis to be done with dose once RCF properly calibrated
     66 - Delaminated RCF
     67  - Mark Hill has some and will take it to Birmingham tomorrow.
     68  - Will need to do a calibration of this before we start a new run
     69  - Least popular option
    3970
    40715. Lessons Learnt and Aims for Timeline, CD:
    41  - CD Presentation and Group Discussion
     72 - Critical issues are:
     73  - Beam uniformity
     74  - Shot-to-shot variation
     75  - Control Survival
     76 - Plan for next run (minimum requirements):
     77  - Repeat of phase 2
     78  - Move the scatterer forward to improve beam uniformity
     79  - Have an in-beam diagnostic
     80   - Minimum option is delaminated RCF
     81    - Requires calibration and full description of RCF errors
     82   - Hopefully test a sparse sci-fi
     83  - Reduce the time the cells are in carousel
     84   - Reduce time between shots
     85   - Make people aware of the importance of this
     86  - Use SCAPA as destination for immediate cell work
     87   - Require an inverted microscope
     88   - At the end of the week move the cells to Marie's lab for better control
     89  - Discussion needed on the benefits of doing this run?
     90 - Longer-term
     91  - Remove scatterer and introduce more quads
     92  - Introduce a dipole chicane
     93  - Use an X-ray control
     94  - Introduce a (pseudo-)beampipe
     95  - Look at ELIMED option
     96  - Permanent SCAPA beamline?
    4297
    43986. In-Person Meeting
    44  - Date: February?
    45  - Place: ???
     99 - Date: February (9th, 10th, 24th, 25th, 26, 27th are currently the best options)
     100 - Place: Strathclyde will be the default. Second choice would be Birmingham
     101  - Need to discuss further
    46102 - lettuceMeet: https://lettucemeet.com/l/lWwgW
    47103
    481047. DoNM
    49 - 8th Jan
     105- 8th Jan (Only if necessary to sort out deliveries etc) Emma to host
    50106
    511078. AoB
     108- Ken keen for support for Royal Society Exhibition
     109- Merry Christmas!!!
    52110
    53111=== Summary of actions required (so far) ===
    54 
     112Phase 2 Analysis
    55113 - **EM, MB**: Organise transport of cells to Birmingham for evaluation
     114 - **EM**: Evaluate the cell results
    56115 - **CD, AFr**: Complete analysis of RCF with errors
    57116 - **EM/ED/LJ**: Send calibration films to SCAPA and scan them in both orientations
     117 - **EM, JMcG**: Write up summary of PoPLaR Phase 2, including technical summary of cell irradiation procedure
     118 - **EM**: Share the counting software she uses with Marie
     119 - **MB**: Comet analysis
     120 - **CD**: Tell Emma the min and max dose seen on the cell dish
     121
     122Beam Diagnostics
    58123 - **AFr, DA**: Write out RCF procedure document
    59  - **EM, JMcG**: Write up summary of PoPLaR Phase 2, including technical summary of cell irradiation procedure
     124 - **Unassigned**: Find all the errors associated with RCF
    60125 - **RW, CD**: Study correlation between laser diagnostics and mean dose
    61126 - **CD, TP**: Evaluate LET in the cells with the RCF in front
    62127 - **RW, ED**: Tell Peter the dimensions of the vacuum chamber
     128 - **Unassigned (CD)**: Use sim to answer how many protons per shot in each fibre
     129
     130Improve Bio results
     131 - **EM, JP**: Discuss cell line to use next time?
     132 - **Unassigned**: Obtain an inverted microscope
     133
     134Long-term
    63135 - **CD, JMcG**: Investigate how to achieve uniformity without a scatterer in place
    64136