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LhARA radiobiology; meeting: 16Apr26; 14:00 GMT
ZOOM: https://imperial-ac-uk.zoom.us/j/98220889714?pwd=SM90vOF7BKSXoU3mD9q7OwBQo4IVB3.1
Attended: AFr, RW, JMcG, KL, CW, MH, TP, PH, CD, EM, JP
Meeting Notes
- BioPrep
- No Major Updates
- Need to deal with cell survival problem
- Emma might have a new timing to show max cell survival time
- Calvin to put together a list of suggestions to improve cell survival
- SCAPA Beamline
- No major update
- A few things have been removed from the beamline
- Robbie plans on sending out some things to Josie and I
- In-Beam Diagnostic
- Scifi to be tested next Wednesday 22nd
- Tony has a physical camera for his diagnostics
- Robbie has been talking with a company called Advacam which do detectors for LET
- Would have to be placed instead of the cells
- May have a minimum of 15MeV
- Cost is between 8,700 and 12,100 euros without VAT
- Peter has used these at QMUL
- Delaminated EBT3 RCF can no longer be ordered
- Mark still has some sheets if necessary
- Improving the Beamline
- CD: LET plots for different energies
- Slides
- Minimum Energy required to reach the cells is 3MeV with 10um Cu scatterer and 2.5MeV without the scatterer
- The minimum energy to aim for should be 7MeV
- Hard limit to avoid protons with an energy less than 5MeV. With a scatterer in place, this should be more like 5.5MeV
- Therefore, the limits of the energy distribution, if described as a Gaussian, should be centred on 7MeV with a maximum standard deviation of 0.7MeV
- Based on pre-cells, 4MeV is the hard cut-off for protons before entering cells.
- CD: LET plots for different energies
- Collaboration Meeting
- Neither Robbie nor Ben will be there
- Presentations
- Obvious one is the results from Phase 2
- This should include the next steps for making a publication
- Subsequent presentation should also include a programme looking forward from October to a couple of years.
- Include ELIMED
- Include how to collect reference data
- Include comparison with electrons?
- Need to be clear as to the question this answers, if we do include it in the plan
- Obvious one is the results from Phase 2
- https://indico.stfc.ac.uk/event/1783/
- IPAC Contribution
- 3/4 of a page on the beamline and results
- Robbie has said he will write a first draft since he has a paper coming out as well
- DoNM
- 14/05/26
- AoB
- ELIMED proposal
- Emma is the coordinator for this
- Deadline 22nd April
- Discussion needed to deal with their problems with the application
- Solution to bio-facilities:
- Nearby facility to use?
- Robbie might know someone
- Portable bio kit
- Do DNA damage rather than clonogenics as it's less time intensive on their kit
- Nearby facility to use?
- https://up.eli-laser.eu/call/8th-call-for-users-5pk2js
- https://up.eli-laser.eu/instrument/elimaia-AyTTqw
- ELIMED proposal
Summary of actions required
In-Beam Diagnostics
- RW, CD: Study correlation between laser diagnostics and mean dose
- CD, TP: Refine evaluations of LET in the cells with the RCF in front
- CD: Predict the cell dish dose from the RCF in front of it
- Initial measurements of sci-fi arrays
- Provide plan for Master's students who will count photons from UV source for sci-fi arrays
- PH: Investigate how to get the light out of the vacuum chamber
- Unassigned: Investigate how a phosphor sheet could be incorporated into the design of the cell dish
- Unassigned: Acquire a glass sheet
Bio Next Steps
- EM: Write up technical summary of Phase 2
- EM: Write up a future biology plan
- Decide whether to use Marie's lab and whether to stick with HeLa
- EM, MB, JP, RA: Meet to finalise details
- CD: Gather ideas for improving cell survival
- Unassigned: Obtain an inverted microscope
- Unassigned: Obtain multi-chamber haemocytometers (Might be able to use Birmingham's)
- Unassigned: Run controls to examine how long the cells can survive vertically
Improve the spatial variation
- Decide the energy we should be optimising for
- RW: Examine energy spectra variation
- CD: Find LET for different energies in the cell dish
- DONE
Other Beamlines
- JMcG: Simulate BELLA
- JMcG: Talk to ELI people and simulate ELI
- EM: Coordinate ELIMED bid
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