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LhARA Radiobiology Meeting: 20Aug26; 14:00 BST
ZOOM: https://imperial-ac-uk.zoom.us/j/98220889714?pwd=SM90vOF7BKSXoU3mD9q7OwBQo4IVB3.1
- Planning Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OTARVtxhLRu02S6CLdRDB2QlGvCqDfZ3aWBifjIFs_Q/edit?tab=t.0
Meeting Notes
- Beamline Simulation
- Josie: Characterisation of ELI and SCAPA sources Slides
- Using the LLO simulation and changing the electron temperature in the model to match the energy spectra for the ELI and SCAPA beamlines
- SCAPA fitted with 5.5MeV electron temperature
- ELI fitted with 0.25MeV electron temperature
- Will chat with Ewan to discuss further
- Need information on the source divergence
- Josie: Simulations of a dipole at SCAPA
- Have funding for dipoles
- First introduction of dipoles indicates a 90% beam loss
- Need a more accurate measurement of the space to work in
- Can test at Birmingham
- Josie to talk to Darsebury to get more information on sensible dipole parameters
- Next beamtime will probably not include this dipole arrangement
- Josie: Characterisation of ELI and SCAPA sources Slides
- BioPrep
- Alex's plan: Slides
- Use transwell with 10um membrane
- Use absorbent paper on the side of transwell with media
- Don't need cells to be in media
- Concern that as the cells/paper dries the thcikness of media will change and the cell will receive a different dose?
- No cell lid and no media means we can place RCF behind the cells
- With the cells being vertical little concern over contamination
- Could cover all but one of the holes on the carousel with a Perspex cover
- This will keep the moisture in the dish
- Uncover just to irradiate and then rotate back under
- This also works for a vertical beam so sterilisation is not an issue
- Maybe add a second plastic screen above the beamline just in case
- Can always use antibacterial media
- Have 6, 12, and 24 well plates so we can cluster the cells that all see the same dose ie reduces the spatial variation.
- Also could flash-freeze the media and do analysis on that (bystander)
- Whether electrical impedance to check the cell layer is a monolayer and other techniques
- Need to dry run and understand cell survival
- Colin to take Alex on a tour of SCAPA (Aiming for next week)
- Need an understanding of the publishable minimum
- Roshine and Marie to draft a plan and to share with Emma and Jason (and Josie)
- Incubator downstairs in SCAPA?
- Consider the CO2
- Minimum repeats is 3
- Minimum cell lines is 2
- Which cell lines
- Emma and Jason prefer their HeLa and FaDu since already done Birmingham runs with them
- Think about using the hardier cell lines from Glasgow as well
- Alex's plan: Slides
- Instrumentation
- Fast Electrons
- Giuseppe and Richard H. looking at this and need to find the apparatus with the right parameters for our system
- Ken to visit on October
- RCF
- Mark has found some EBT4 delaminated: https://www.ashland.com/industries/medical/radiotherapy-films/ebt4
- Tony to inquire to see if he can get hold of some
- Alex also suggests casting the RCF into a thinner sheet by using an organic solvent and casting it onto a silicon sheet.
- Air Scintillation
- Colin/Narendar: Planning to meet to discuss the feasibility of the implementation at SCAPA and the timeframe
- Fast Electrons
- SCAPA
- Updates: None (On experiment)
- Review Trello: https://trello.com/invite/b/67587c515b0c69656ee78b48/ATTIe86f94b24e3e5884e4cb87e5ed3b89ab64321B83/poplar
- DoNM
- 03/09/26
- AoB
Summary of actions required
In-Beam Diagnostics
- Unassigned: Acquire a glass sheet
- Unassigned: Get a new RCF batch and calibrate
- TP: Testing delaminating EBT3
- PH: Obtain transparent fibre or an alternative method for light transport
- PH: Obtain a lens for hollow fibre tests
- CD: Simulate energy deposited in transport fibres
- KL, CD, JMcG, PH: Design a system to make full scifi prototypes
- KL, CD, JMcG, PH: Make a full scifi prototype
- KL, CD: Send clear fibre to SCAPA before 16th August (Contact Ewan or Colin since Robbie is USA)
- KL, CD, JMcG, PH: Discuss visit to Birmingham to test SciFi
- RW, CD: Study the correlation between laser diagnostics and mean dose
- Unassigned: Investigate how a phosphor sheet could be incorporated into the design of the cell dish
- CW: Investigate the feasibility of ICTs for our beamline
- MH: Investigate LET detector
- CW: Ask Narender about air fluorescence implementation
- JMcG: Investigate using IF as a dosimeter
- GS, RH: Investigate fast electron diagnostic
- TP: Investigating commerical delaminated EBT4
Bio Next Steps
- EM, CD, JMcG: Write up technical summary of Phase 2
- EM: Write up a biology plan for a 2 PMQ setup
- Unassigned: Obtain an inverted microscope
- Unassigned: Obtain multi-chamber haemocytometers (Might be able to use Birmingham's)
- Unassigned: Obtain a thermostat for the incubator
- EM: Run controls to examine how long the cells can survive vertically
- JMcG: Plan a test of vertical cell survival using Emma/Jason's HeLa cell line and Marie's cell line
- JMcG: Produce a HeLa colony that can survive on Mylar
- CW, AM: Show Alex around SCAPA
Beamline Modelling
- Unassigned: Investigate how to improve the beamline beyond CV=8%
- CD: Examine energy spectra variation
- JMcG, ED: Discuss spectra fits and SCAPA source divergence
- JMcG: Talk to Darsebury to get more information on sensible dipole parameters
Alternate Beamlines
- JMcG: Simulate BELLA
- JMcG: Simulate ELI
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